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The Seventh Day Adventist Cult Exposed;


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Seventh Day Adventist are a Cult, and this Cult has spun off many other cults such as, The Jehovah’s Witness, Herbert W. Armstrong’s World Wide Church of God, The Branch Davidians, British Israelist, and hundreds of Sabbatarian Cults. Those of you who preach on the streets, are very familiar with the J.W.’s claiming that JESUS was nothing more than Michael the Archangel, became Jesus Christ on earth, and is just Michael the Archangel now in heaven.

(Which can be Refuted By Hebrews 1: “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.” On the Contrary: God didn't say to any angel ever! “Thou art My Son this day have I begotten thee” And the “All the Angels of God are Commanded to Worship JESUS.)  ---But did You know that the: “Jesus is Michael The Archangel” teaching originated from Ellen G White and the Seventh Day Adventist Cult.

E. G. White was a follower of the False Prophet William Miller.

Charles Russell was a Seventh Day Adventist follower of E.G. White.

The Jehovah’s Witness were Founded by Charles Russell.

Russell brought many of the SDA Lies such as: No Hell, Jesus is Michael... that are still taught today by JW’s in an Anti-Christ manner to Despise and Discredit who JESUS Really Is. The Jehovah’s Witness then Continued to bare the same Bad Fruit of their Founders in at Least four more False Predictions of the Return of JESUS in the early 1900’s

Everyone knows that Miller was a False Prophet.

But what about Ellen G White? Did She immediately afterwards prophesy the same?

Yes E.G. White did Prophesy the Return of Jesus in The first Hay reaping of 1845 after William Miller’s False Prophesy Failed.

When mid summer hit and She was Questioned by a Pastor’s Wife: “Lucinda” of why her Vision Failed. E.G. White stated: "The Vision failed because it was first spoken to me in the Language of Canaan which at the time I did not understand, but now God has reveled to me that it will happen in the Second Reaping of the Hay in September. Jesus did not Return at that Time either!

Ellen G. White was a Demon Possessed Heretic who turned the Truth of God into a Lie.

JESUS Said There is a Real Hell, and state of Torment Immediately after Death for the Wicked. Luke 16

E.G. White said: There is no Hell, The Dead are in a non-conscience state.

The SDA Began as followers of a False Prophet: William Miller who Prophesied that Jesus would return to the earth by 1843 or 1844. At that time over 1000 people sold their Homes, moved around Miller and were waiting at any moment for JESUS to return.

When JESUS did not return in 1843 or 1844 his followers set a second date:

October 22 1844. They even ate their last meal together and were waiting in a field for Jesus to come back at any second! When that day passed most fell away.

But a small group who were to ashamed to admit that they were following a False Prophet, and to ashamed to face their Family Members who knew they were misled. Rather that admitting they and Miller were wrong. They Made up a BIG LIE to cover themselves!

"Well we have studied deeper in Our Bibles and have determined that, October 22 1844 was the day JESUS entered into the Holy of Holies."

That’s a LIE!

JESUS entered into the Holy of Holies in between the time he told Mary: "Do not touch me I have not yet ascended to My Father" And the Next time He appeared and said: Touch Me! And He said: "I Have received All Power over Heaven & Earth..." The Vision Of JESUS Receiving all authority can be found in Daniel 7 {I saw in a Night Vision}

The Seventh Day Adventist Cult was Founded in Lies and False Predictions. Ellen G. White prophesied many false prophesies that all Failed.  An Example: She once prophesied that: Jesus had revealed to her that all women should wear the same girdle that she wore.

GOD says: “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.” (Jeremiah 14:14)

The SDA are a Cult,

Fall in Love with the REAL JESUS and HIS TRUE GOSPEL.

The True Gospel: JESUS, JESUS, JESUS.....................

The False Gospel: Sabbath, Sabbath, Sabbath.....................

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In their Prophesy Conferences They as typical with many other cults teach that they could be the 144,000 Jews that have been sealed in Revelation 7:3-8 They use deceptive reasoning like ; " how do you know that we haven't already been sealed with an invisible seal." and ; " how do you know that we are not Jews, haven't you heard about the lost tribes."
To expose their deceptive lies ; Revelation 14:1-5 describes the 144,000 as young JEWISH MEN, who had never slept with a woman and were virgins, had never told a lie and were without fault before the throne of God.
This does not describe You, if you think that it does you are a liar.
Satin is the Father of liars. All Liars shall have their part in the Lake Of Fire.
5) They follow a False Prophetess named Ellen G White who is now dead.
In her teachings She taught that there is no conscienceness in death. And the God is not a cruel God who will make you burn forever. They use the scripture in Ecclesiastes 9:5 which states "but the dead know not anything" and assume that they are in a state of non consciencesness. ("the dead knowing nothing") is referring to the state of their corps. So it is with many other scriptures that refer to "them that sleep" their physical dead corps is in a state of sleep as dust and remains which will one day be raised to The First Resurrection to receive an incorruptible body that will never perish. Or their bodies will be raised after the thousand year reign of Jesus to face the white throne Judgment in which even those who had been burning in Hell for thousands of years will be cast into the Lake Of Fire where they just like the antichrist in Rev. 20:10 shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Jesus said "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:44
My friend a judge is not cruel for putting a murderer in prison, he is Just for doing so. We have all sinned against a Holy Righteous God and if we got what we justly deserved we would all be cast in Hell and then latter into the lake of Fire.
But God in His mercifulness desires to redeem us and Sent The LORD JESUS CHRIST to take our blame and die in our stead, so that whoever calls on His Son and puts their faith and confidence in Him will be redeemed through Faith. Faith not in our own works of keeping the sabbath, but trusting the one who is our Sabbath.
For Christ Jesus is our Sabbath He is our place of Rest.
No one can say "I have been Born Of God as a result of keeping the forth commandment" Yes it is true that those who have received the Holy Ghost have a new nature to keep the commandments, but if they begin to trust in their performance of keeping the law as there mean of salvation they will be cast off.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (KJV)
Ellen G White taught that there is no Hell, everlasting torment or state of conscienceness after death.
But that is not what Jesus Said. Who are you going to believe ? This woman who God forbid to teach in ;
1 Timothy 2:11-14 , Revelation 2:20-23
Jesus who had never lied said; Luke 16:19-26 "There was a certain rich man" ,"the rich man also died", and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. This is a state of conscienceness.
Moses and Elijah appear on the mount of transfiguration, and they are in a state of conscienceness. (Matthew 17:3)
John saw in heaven; Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Notice that these are in heaven in a state of conscience while their fellow brethren are still alive on earth.
Notice also that their "rest" is not sleep, but that they must "wait".

6) It is taught among the Seventh Day Adventist Cult that ; "It has been documented that Ellen White indeed didn't breathe while in a vision ,by a medical Doctor"
This is something you see frequently in cults. The Moslems say that Their dead false prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven at The Dome of the Rock, even though they have his bones buried at Mecca.
The Brannomites say that; Someone saw William Brannom ascending to heaven even though they have his bones buried. The Catholics say that Mary was without original sin and that she ascended to heaven.
And let me remind you again that The Seventh Day Adventist Still to this day defend their original leader William Miller who predicted the return of Jesus to take place in 1843 or 1844. And instead of admitting that they were following a false prophet, they made up a ferry tale that Miller wasn't wrong but "that was the date that Jesus entered into the Holy of Hollies".
God spoke of those who would be given to such fables ;
II Th 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
7) In their publication "Your Friends, The Adventist, They give Scripture reference to Ellen G White being the Woman in Revelation 12:17 and that they are "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. They say this because they believe that all the other Christians are worshipping God on the wrong day and braking the forth commandment, that they proudly believe they keep.
The forth commandment has nothing to do with going to church, but rather it states that in that day you are not to work, but to rest and delight thyself in the Lord on that day. If they desire to be back under the letter of the Law. It says that they are not even allowed pick up a stick, or drive a car seeing it promotes the necessity of oil company work, Highway Patrol , Police and traffic control paid agencies. You see you don't have to kill an elephant to promote their death, you just have to buy Ivory.
As for their Fable that E.G. White is the woman in Rev. 12:17, this is the same woman in Rev 12:1 and The Deceived Catholics say its Mary.
8) They teach it is wrong to eat meat. But God Say's This ;
1 Tim 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
For more information Exposing The Seventh Day Adventist Cult and other Cults or False teachings such as;
Mormons, Masons, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus, Jehovah's Witness, Catholics, Evolutionist, Satanist, Twelve Tribes, David Byrd's Children of God, Assemblies of Yahweh, Arnold Murry, Wicca, The Way International, Herbert Armstrongs World Wide Church of God, The Church of Christ, Prosperity Preachers, Positive Confession Mind Science-Faith Teachers, Pre-Tribulation Rapture Teachers, Calvinistic Unconditional Eternal Security Teachers, Baha'i, Rastafarian Pot Heads, Unitarian Universalist, Episcopalians,
Hare'Krishna's, Moonies, and All Other Liars.

Contact; Michael Siemer at; preachhellsfire@juno.com
We will offer you assistance getting out, and try to help you find some Real Born Again Christians in your area. I Pray that The LORD JESUS CHRIST will set you Free, and Lead you by His Holy Spirit and Power.


 

Seventh Day Adventist 2nd Expose;

The LORD lead me to Raid the S.D.A. Collegdale Campus yesterday April 29/2000. On the way there I stopped by a Sisters house. She said; "Here is a Book a friend gave me that was wrote by the Adventist". I skipped through it and The LORD let me land on this Statement ; On Page 69 Of "The Justified Walk" "a series of sermons given at ANDREWS UNIVERSITY Berrien Springs, Michigan ( Elder Frank Phillips ) They make this Statement; "God tells us in The Desire of Ages, Page 98 "In ourselves we are incapable of doing any good thing" So according to the above statement E.G. Whites book "The Desire of Ages" is;> "God's Word" ? Lets look at it again; "God tells us in The Desire of Ages, Page 98 "In ourselves we are incapable of doing any good thing" If the person above were truly Born of God, they would have quoted JESUS's own Words in John 15; "For without me ye can do nothing" In an attempt to Glorify The Word of God and to Glorify God. But instead they seek to Glorify E.G.White, To promote Her Book, and to state that Her Words are "The Word Of God" JESUS, Who's WORD IS GOD, said; "If any man shall add to the words of the Prophecies of this Book, I shall add to Him the Plauges written in this Book." The Mormans have done the Same thing, Preaching "Another Gosple" claiming that Joseph Smith's writing are the inspirations and Words of God. E.G. White Taught that there is no Hell, And that there is no state of Conscienceness after death. By speaking this She Blasphemed Jesus's very own words who said that there was in LUKE 16 and hundreds of other places in the Scriptures. So Who Do You Believe ? E.G.White or JESUS E.G. White was a Decieved False Prophtess . I challenge you to ask the next Seventh Day Adventist you meet, if there is a Hell, You will see the fruit of Her teachings. Grapes dont grow in thorn bushes. Do you have a problem with me calling the S.D.A. a Cult ? Did you know that they Have You and all the other Christians that Fellowship on Sunday, MARKED as those who have Spiritualy taken the Mark of The Beast ? And They Are the "True Church" The Catholics; "The True Church" The Mormans; "The True Church" Church of Christ; "The True Church" Herber W Armstrong; "The True Church" THE TRUE CHURCH : IS EVERY PERSON WHO HAS RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT BY FAITH IN THE SON OF GOD , EVERY PERSON WHO HAS ASKED JESUS CHRIST TO COME INTO THEIR LIFE AND IS CURRENTLY FOLLOWING HIS LEADING. "As many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the Sons of God" A True Child of God will not be able to listen to lies, and not be greived. "The Spirit within us Lusteth to envy" The Holy Ghost watches over us with tender Jelousy , looking into the things we ponder to see if we will concieve to believe the Truth or a Lie.
To share a little more on what happend this day,
Brian and I stood across from each other at the main crossing where many of them were exiting from their Sabbath School, as it was Saturday.
Brian had some Beautiful, one on one, with several. While The LORD allowed me to catch every one of them! Not one of them got away! I already had a large crowd around me and as others were about to pass by, I would just stop my Preaching to the groupe I already had just for a second, and say "can I give you a tract to read, about The Seventh Day Adventist Cult" and they would stop in their tracts, and listen to the Sword Fight, As The LORD had me openly making mockery out of E.G. Whites false teachings and many of their other lies, by THE WORD OF GOD !!!
As I looked into their eyes, there were several who were not snapping back, but were being Called out By THE HOLY GHOST.
Finaly with about 20 of them around me, The Cops came and made me cross over to Brians side to talk to them. It was there that I openly exposed their lies to the Head Dean in front of the Police and I warned him of Comming Judgement. We bought as much time as we could until a came down to; "leave now or go to jail" So We Shook The Dust of the Place off of our Sandles.
We then Left in Victory !!!!!!!





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Impute from Those Delivered From SDA Legalism to Find JESUS to be their True SABBATH:


Letters from EX-SDA’S who have left the Cult & others hurt by it;

Monday, October 21, 2002 - 04:29 am

the Seventh Day Adventist church should be considered a religious cult, My wife decided to attend one of their prophesy seminars, It has changed her personality and her beliefs to the point that I don't know who she is or what to expect anymore, I have demanded that she stay away from that group, but I know it is only a matter of time before she goes back. They use a form of mind control that uses scare tactics to prey on persons who are only trying to understand the bible, which is exactly what they look for. Please don't let a loved one attend these "prophesy seminars", It will adversely affect their selves and their loved ones.

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:17 pm

One also has to ask why they need to use deceiving tactics, tactics used by the Devil. Take for instance. Why do they hold seminars on end times, etc. in a secular place, give out brochures and mailings without their name or denomination on it. Only when you look at addresses and look up those addresses you find out who they are. I've received several of those in the mail. The problem is if people knew who they were they would avoid them. Well, that should be a clue to examine the belief.

For myself I'm currently in a Baptist church after leaving the Methodist church. But the basic foundations of faith in the essentials are the same. But I don't have to sneak around and not give full information when I talk to anyone about my faith.

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Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:18 pm

Hello,
My name is Rushelle and My question to you is. Why aren't Seventh Day Adventist Considered a Cult? I am a former Seventh Day Adventist and I can tell you that their Recruitment techniques are exactly the same as Jehovah's Witness.

When they Go door to door. The bible workers aren't to tell people that they are seventh day adventist. In their evangelistic efforts, They teach as though their like any other Christian sect but, towards the end after they've recruited their new members, they then tell you who they are. They have strict Dietary Laws. They teach that if you eat meat you can't go to heaven, they tell you that you shouldn't eat dairy, sugar, butter, chocolate, vinegar, spices, that you can't drink liquids with your meals, that you can't wash your hair or bathe with certain items because it has ingredient's that will interfere with your reception to talk to god. Even teach that certain processed foods have chemicals in them that will do the same. they use guilt to scare you in to doing what you are told. They teach that at the end of the world all people who aren't seventh day adventist don't have the TRUTH and are accepting the Mark of the Beast (Sunday Worship), and that Seventh day adventist will get persecuted, and killed for having the truth. You can't have friends who aren't SDA's and if you do it has to be for the soul purpose of winning members. They tell you over and over again that you are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers (those who aren't seventh Day adventists). They push that you send your children to their schools and get them out of the public school system. They also push home schooling. They preach the same doctrines over and over and over again. It's almost like a broken record.
They have a book that they some times give to their new members called the 27 fundamental beliefs. They have a prophet called Ellen G. White who pretty much founded the church. They have their own bible called the Clear Word Bible, They tell you how to dress, think, eat and sleep. Their prophet had visions that failed many times. They taught that Jesus was to come in 1844 and many other times after that. Ellen G. White even said that her position is more than a prophet. There's much, much, more that I can write but I don't want to take up much of your time. But,
If that's not a cult then I don't know what is.

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Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 11:28 am

The SDA church is full of lies. They use false historical information to try and convince you that the Catholic church is of the devil. Why? Because they need someone to point fingers at to make themselves feel secure. There is plenty of proof of the lies.

The dates that they give when they say that the Pope was in power for the 1260 days in Daniel are wrong: The code of Justinian did not go into effect in 538 AD like SDAs like to claim. There were two Codes of Justinian: the first one was in force from 529 to 534, and the second one from 534 onwards. Also, there were two popes who were imprisoned during those years that the SDAs don't mention: Justinian locked up Pope Vigilius from 547-555 because Vigilius would not agree with Justinian on the “Three Chapters” controversy. Other popes lost their power during this time: Martin I, held captive by Emperor Constans II; died 656 ; Boniface VIII, held captive by Philip the Fair of France; died 1303.

"Vicarius Filli Dei" is a false title that was never the title of the pope (when interestingly enough, Ellen Gould White's name adds up to 666 and this is a REAL name of a REAL person, not a FAKE title). The Bible makes it clear that the Seal of the Living God is the Holy Spirit, not Israel's Sabbath law.

Gal. 2:21: if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 4:9-11: How turn ye again to the weak elements….? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Colossians 2:14-17: From now onwards, NEVER LET ANYONE ELSE DECIDE what should eat or drink, OR WHETHER YOU ARE TO OBSERVE ANNUAL FESTIVALS, NEW MOONS OR SABBATHS, THESE WERE ONLY PALE REFLECTIONS OF WHAT WAS COMING: THE Reality is CHRIST If people cling to the shadow, are they implying that the substance is not important?

There are numerous historical documents proving that Sunday worship was going on hundreds of years before the papacy even existed, but of course the SDAs don't want you to know that.

The Clear Word book is downright deceitful, making alterations to Scripture that the Bible forbids us to do.

The belief that there are "two kinds of law" in the Old Testament is a lie that SDAs use to explain why they pick and choose what laws are still in effect and which ones aren't.

Here are just a couple of the many things that Ellen said that did not come to pass:

In Early Writings, p. 75, White said, “I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes. . . . I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing. . . . I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time.” This prophecy did not come true. Truth: Since the nation of Israel’s rebirth in 1948, “Old Jerusalem” has been greatly built up.

She also claimed that England will attack the United States In 1862 she predicted, “when England does declare war [against the North during the Civil War], all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion.” The result will be that “this nation [the United States] will . . . be humbled into the dust.” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 259. American history clearly shows that England did not declare war against the United States during the Civil War, and the United States was not humbled into the dust.

Here are just a couple of examples proving that she plagiarized:

Parents are also under obligation to teach and oblige their children to conform to physical law for their own sakes. . . . How strange and unaccountable that mothers should love their children so tenderly as to indulge them in what they have occasion to know may injure their constitutions and impair their happiness for life. May many children be delivered from such mothers, and from such cruel kindness! . . . The managers and teachers of schools…Philosophy of Health: Natural Principles of Health and Cure, by L. B. Coles (Boston: William D. Ticknor & Company. 1849, 1851, 1853, pp. 144-145)

White’s version: I was shown that one great cause of the existing deplorable state of things is that parents do not feel under obligation to bring up their children to conform to physical law. Mothers love their children with an idolatrous love and indulge their appetite when they know that it will injure their health and thereby bring upon them disease and unhappiness. . . . They have sinned against Heaven and against their children, and God will hold them accountable. . . . The managers and teachers of schools . . . Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 3, p. 141, 1872

Ellen: In the excitement the flung off their garments as they had done years before at the martyrdom of Stephen and threw dust into the air with frantic violence. This fresh outbreak threw the Roman captain into great perplexity. He had not understood Paul's Hebrew address, and concluded from the general excitement that his prisoner must be guilty of some great crime. The loud demands of the people that Paul be delivered into their hands made the commander tremble. He ordered him to be immediately taken into the barracks and examined by scourging, that he might be forced to confess his guilt" (p. 220)

Conybeare and Howson: In their rage and impatience they tossed off their outer garments (as on that other occasion when the garments were laid at the feet of Saul himself) and threw dust into the air with frantic violence. This commotion threw Lysias into new perplexity. He had not been able to understand the apostle's Hebrew speech and when he saw its results he concluded that his prisoner must be guilty of some enormous crime. He ordered him therefore to be taken immediately from the stairs into the barracks and to be examined by a torture in order to elicit a confession of his guilt" (p. 557)

Ellen also claimed to have contacted the dead and to have traveled to other planets:

This particular necromancy occurred after the death of her husband James, whom she called "Father". She recounts the experience in a letter to her son published in "The Retirement Years" p. 161 - 163: Now, Ellen, calls will be made as they have been, desiring you to attend important meetings. Make this your first business. Well, said I, James you are always to stay with me now and we will work together. I feel no duty to go to Battle Creek...I have no duty to stand in General Conference. THE LORD FORBIDS ME. That is enough.”

She also "traveled" to other planets in her visions, and also claimed to have met Enoch (more necromancy). (EGW: The Early Years Vol.1 p. 114; p.157).

The SDA religion is a mind-controlling cult with no faith in the power of the Holy Spirit. If they did have faith, they wouldn't see the need to wait until the last possible second to disclose who they are. They wouldn't lead people to believe that they are an interdenominational Christian ministry when they hold their sneaky Bible prophesy seminars.

To be an SDA, you have to agree that legalism is MUCH more important than faith, grace, and the power of the Holy Spirit. It's downright sad that they are misleading so many people so sneakily. I pray for the innocent people who attend these sneaky seminars.

If SDAs were true Christians, they also wouldn't blaspheme and say that someday Satan will bear our sins. Jesus Christ bared our sins and no one else ever will.

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Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:22 pm

Hi, I just realized in my previous post that I didn't mention the sources for the 2nd example of Ellen White's plagiarism. The book she plagiarized from is Life and Epistles of the Apostle Paul" By Conybeare and Howson, 1855, 3rd ed. Ellen's book is Sketches from the Life of Paul" By Mrs. E.G. White, 1883.

Note that White's book was published AFTER the other one.

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Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:34 pm

You can tell me all day that the chruch does not do any of these things but you cannot tell me that I have not lived these things. Because if you did you would be lying.

In 1998 after I had heard the voice of God while my husband lay dying of a massive heart attack my son and I were praying and when I did not know what else to pray I started the Lord's prayer and when I got to thy will be done I said No Lord I don't want your will and I felt a hand on my shoulder and His voice saying "I'll be with you". I immediatley said yes Lord and we continued in the prayer never breaking stride.

It was a few minutes after that a police officer came and said they were going to transport him and to make a long story short, 10 days later with 3 of the 10 beign in a comma my husband was released after having been shocked 14 times and only had a stint and pace/maker difiberlator put in.

This all happened as my 9 year old grandson just told me the other day when I asked him why his grandpa had a heart attack out of the clear blue and he said to prepare you for what was to come.

In the fall of 1998 my son-in-law began to think his life was in need of a change and was reading David Wilkerson and I had no problem with that having been to a crusade of his.

Then one Saturday he announced to his wife who was working that day that he was going to church with their 2 sons. This is the first she had heard of this. She was uspset and then began to try and follow what her husband wanted since that is the way she had seen her mother live.

My son-in-law "had" to change his work schedule since he was working evenings and this meant that on Friday he worked on the Sabbath. What did this then do to my day that I claim as rest day Sunday. Well it didn't matter because he was doing what was right, right?

When I asked him was it right to assume that I would do something that he would not(work on the day of rest)? He was angry and said he would fix it. When my daughter came home I told her of our conversation and told her to be sure she knew what she believed and I love you and left.

Later that evening she came back to my house with Bible in hand and said she had asked God to show her what she should do and she opened her Bible to Galatians and read that we are not under the law but under Jesus Christ.

The next 4 years were lived trying to get answers to this new religion that took over thier lives. Answers did not come just like they have not come for me when I have contacted Doug Batchelor and others on other forums of which I am in debate right now but like before I just get ignored. It is like I am not worthy of an answer because I don't worship on the right day.

Just a quick question here which day of the week was Jesus first worshipped on after resurrection according to the Bible and only the Bible?

Well after much time spent in trying to come to some kind of understanding about this all my daughter filed for divorce last November and Aug. 14 should be the final court date unless somehthing miraculous happens. And I believe it can. Why do I believe that? Because I have seen it with my own eyes. My husbands heart attack being only one of the miraculous things that have happened in my life.

The SDA chruch and nothing else did this to this once happy family and they did it thru deception. A husband and wife should not keep such important things as a new way of life secret from each other.

Again I say you can say all day long that it doesn't happen but if I say it does please don't call me a liar because I know it has.

Because I know that my redeemer liveth and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto him against that day, Joan

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 10:51 am

They are not considered a cult because in many countries the Seventh Day Adventists own public corporations (hospitals and schools) that are of benefit for the societies in those countries. The Seventh Day Adventists have found a way to integrate their cultic elements with the local cultures in reasonable manners.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 02:59 pm

Well,

Personally. That's what they tell you and want you to believe. I was once an Adventist. They always make people think that they aren't cultic. Trust me I was one for 13 years. When you have been there longer it's a much different story.

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Monday, April 01, 2002 - 08:35 pm

I was conceived into the Adventist religion and I think that it is a cult. I have spent most of my life attending, and am a third generation Adventist. I think that they brain wash, use mind control tactics, want you to be a clone, strip you of your identity, take away your personal choices and rob you of your developmental stages. I personally do not believe in Ellen G. White. They quote her more than the Bible. I agree with Saturday being the Sabbath, backed by the fourth commandment. I was abused as a child. I was abused as a wife. I'm talking about physical violence. I believe that you must leave the Adventist church just like you would a husband who is guilty of domestic violence.

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Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 12:24 pm

I too was born and raised a Seventh Day Adventist. My thinking has been through the years to question the philosophies of the church. The main area of question was that of Ellen White. It seems ridiculous to me that a religious following is based on an incorrect prediction(Second coming of Christ in 1844). Everything I have read about Ellen White indicates a history of mental illness not a special gift.

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Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:19 pm

I am very concerned about my boyfriend. He has
been an Adventist all his life and believes everything the church teaches. When it doubt, he
researches Ellen White and follows whatever she
wrote. He is 39 years old and totally convinced in the "Adventist Truth". He has been trying to "win my soul" and now that he realizes it's not going to happen he's thinking that God may not want us to be together. I've tried to point out conflicts with White's teachings and the Bible and he refuses to accept even the possibility that she may not have been the prophet they believe her to be. Any suggestions?

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Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:28 am

I have been exposed to the Seventh Day Adventist religion for 25 years (my husband's family is SDA). I have no problem with their ideas, as long as they practice them and let me live my life the way I wish. I do have a problem, however, with my husband's brothers who have gotten involved in the Branch Davidians (SDA cult). One lives in Tennessee and is associated with Michael and Debi Pearl. They have a website where they tell you how to "train" your children, much like animal training. Their women are treated like slaves and their children beaten. The men of the group are put on a pedestal and think they are superior over the family. My questions are, how can cults like the Pearls send out literature free of charge? How can this type of child abuse be legal? They don't send their children to school and claim they are being "home-schooled". Home schooled by a bunch of religious fanatics who don't have enough sense to have control of their own minds? I don't get it.

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Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 09:43 pm

The worst of the 7th Day Adventist cult is that the clergy make their living on the costs of their flocks. I once met a seventh day adventist who actually moved into the house of an old member of his church. the lady had Alzheimer and was sent to a nursing home; because all her children were in Canada, the lady simply left the house empty and all the arrangements for the maintenance and further care of her house were made by the reverend and his people. Soon the reverend moved into the property and after a few month, he bought a couple of horses for his children. The reverend never moved out of the house and the lady never claimed it back. I once asked myself what would happen if that reverend would stop believing in god. I think that he would continue playing the soul sucking game, because it is expedient. the common denominator among all of those cults that swallow people's understanding is that the pressure always focuses on the domination of the flock by a few who redistribute the resources in their own behalf. You make a random search through the various religious groups, all those reverends live on the expenses of the other members.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:23 am

I had the most horrific experience in my life in regards to the seventh day adventist church. I have a friend whom I love and admire dearly that introduced me to her faith. At first glance, I thought it was wonderful. Then I obtained a position at their corporate office that oversees all adventists and their families healthcare and insurance needs as well as their retirement and all aspects of their financial and healthcare needs for their families. The first position I held was in a department made up of adventists and non-adventists alike. My supervisor and fellow employees were wonderful, kind caring people. The dept. closed due to interdepartmental shenanagans and embezzlement from an outside adventist. I transferred to another department and discovered what is is to be truly involved in a powerful network of people who if they were not a non-profit organization, would have been shut down for extreme harassment of non-adventists, as well as adventists, and used the full force of their team of attorneys and management and private investigators to intimidate, threaten, lie, release private records, and think they were above the law. I got hurt as a result of an on the job injury, and believed them when they said medical would cover it. They proceeded to stalk, leave threatening notes, release private records, call friends, neighbors, and relatives in other states and try to find blackmail material on them, threaten my parents, and finally not allow any radio program including christian radio to play unless it was adventist, berate employees if they ate fish or chicken, not allow you to associate with non-adventists, tell you you were satanic if you were Catholic, and alot of other stuff I've tried to block out...Their power was great and in the position I was in, I came across tons of material personal, that included tapes of people with medical claims against them, and corporate document memos dictating how to lie, intimidate, and present false information to their own employees. They used government info for their own protection, but would not distribute pamphlets from the state or federal gov't to their own employees that were to be given to all that included labor rights and other. I don't know if I'll ever recover, my injury was bad but the injury to my trusting heart and soul I don't know if I'll ever recover from, especially knowing that they laughed about their own who were hurt and the cruelty that they so blatantly displayed. There were allot of good people there, but they were either afraid or so indoctrinated that they didn't stand up. They are not allowed to keep contact with non-adventists, all activities, social and recreational were had to's and included their families, and only those who were targeted to become members of their cult were included. Interestingly enough, your food (vegetarian), and herbal supplements marketed thru their system, was more important than the fact was that the family structure and divorce rate was probably higher than average, adultry, abuse, substance abuse was tolerated among their own but the inside person didn't count. Granted their are many good people who go to their church, I'm not even sure that their pastors are aware of the misuse of power at the corporate level and that those at the top of the financial ladder in control of the hospitals etc. are just putting on an act. signed hurt and dismayed

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Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 01:35 pm

I don't think we are under any obligation to point out the few good people who are Seventh Day Adventist every time we levy a complaint against them; it really is unnecessarily cumbersome. Furthermore, we ought not allow ourselves to be manipulated by their emotional games, in which they portray themselves as being passive and innocent and so forth. This group is a cult, and we should aggressively denounce any member of this group every time they try to use this board to defend themselves.

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:46 pm

I agree with what Matt said also. But there are other beliefs in the Adventist church that I don't understand. The bible is the word of God he admitted, that is true. I don't believe there are any new revelations after that. I believe the bible is it. So what about Ellen White? Her teachings and prophecies do not always line up with scripture. She also teaches you have to do this or that to be saved. That is salvation by works. If you know the bible to be the final authority, why listen to Ms White at all? Who is she anyway that you put her next to the Word of God?

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 05:34 am

I won't put my name on the board because I know there are lots of people that are unbalanced. They don't need to know my name. So regardless of brothers or sisters here I'm still anonymous.
I am glad to hear you say the word of Ellen White does not take the place of the bible. From what you said above, if you didn't follow her writings I would believe the same as you. But I still don't understand the belief in Ellen White. I know she started the church but I don't understand how she can say some of the things she has.
In Deut 18:21,22 it says

And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word the LORD hath not spoken.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not nor come to pass that is that thing the LORD hath not
spoken. But the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Thou shall not be afraid of him.

So since Ellen White has said things that have not come to pass, wouldn't she be a false prophet? You only have to be wrong once. So why not just follow the Word. You really don't need anything else. God is too important to be lied about even if there is a little truth mixed in.

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I'm not going to debate you either. I am giving you this website and I am out of here. This is not the only thing I have read about this, just the latest.
The web address is: http://www.ellenwhite.org/
The name of the site is
Ellen G. White web site, The


When you get to the site, scroll down and click on the site map.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 09:31 pm

How do SDA members consider Ellen G. White to be a prophet if what she has said is contradictory towards Scripture (some little things, however, it's still contradictory)? Also, she fails the prophetic tests given in Scripture. Furthermore, extensive research by a SDA scholar found much of her writings to be plagiarism. Moreover, what is the point of Mrs. White if Scripture is completed and is the authority from which we know came from God? The Shut Door vision that Mrs. White had what was that about? The Investigative Judgment? The requirements, such as dress code, eating's of certain foods,... etc? The Sabbath keeping on Saturday? I find if you have a close keeping of the Word of God (Sola Scriptura) it is hard to follow those beliefs; then how do you explain the beliefs you would hold if you followed such a sect.

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 02:23 am

Greetings Friends & Anonymous,

I joined the SDA church a few years ago, without much study ahead of time. I believed it was a mainstream Christian church, and I'm glad I was baptized. When I first joined, I got the feeling that members felt this church was the *true* church and that bothered me. I didn't like people calling others "Adventists" or "NonAdventists" and just preferred "Christians." Anyway, although my church is quite good, lately I've found some disturbing info regarding EGW, the Clear Word Bible, etc.

Questions: Does the Adv. Review use mind control or twist scripture? Is the story of Revelation and 666 accurate and how can it be proved?

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This is a great start on SDA:
http://members.tripod.com/crossbearer-brian/id50.htm


or here are some others.
http://www.equip.org/free/CP0602.pdf
http://www.carm.org/sda.htm
http://www.formeradventist.com/

M

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 12:38 am

It is so sad to see intelligent people falling for the SDA lie. Hang onto your wallets!!

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 01:49 pm

RT,

You're quite welcome. At least it looks like SDA is struggling with these issues amongst themselves as well. People inside are asking some tough questions and many have renounced some of the problematic teachings and ideas. At least they show signs that things could change for the better. Unlike others that are so off base and have not even begun and see no desire too. It's not something that is fixed over night, that's for sure. But getting out the issues and debating with them and warning others with the truth about their teachings is the best way to inform both sides of the issues that people take with those problem areas. Sooner or later they are going to have to deal with them. It would be an awesome show of God's grace for them to repent and move in the right direction. I don't give up hope for them anyway.

M

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